[background noise. JC entering]

JA: Worked quite well actually. And then changing up IPs, because they were... the Chinese internet filtering system is quite baroque, and they have evolved it... sometimes they do things manually and sometimes they do it in an automated way, in terms of adding IPs to the list based on domain names, and then we did... we had a quite interesting battle where we saw that they were looking up our IPs, and we see that these requests came from a certain DNS block range in China. Whenever we saw that we just then returned...

ES: Ha ha ha ha ha. That's clever. Ha ha ha ha ha.

JA:...different IPs. I was actually thinking we could return Public Security Bureau IPs!

ES: This is Jared Cohen, by the way.

Jared Cohen: Hi, I'm so sorry we're late. Flight delay and...

JA: Pleased to meet you.

ES: Was it United or was it?

JC: Uh, Delta. Never flying again!

ES: Yeah, that's Delta.

LS: Hi!

JA: Larry?

JC: Jared.

JA: Jared! Jared.

ES: And this is Scott.

Scott M: Nice to meet you!

ES: Scott is our editor.

SM: Sorry, we're an hour and a half late.

JA: That's alright!

ES: We're actually, we could use...

JA: It's a useful day to drive!

ES: We've actually been having a perfectly wonderful time.

SM: I'm sure. I'm sure. I'm sure.

[Chatter]

LS: Why don't you just. Scott sit there, and then you sit here, next to me...

SM: Are you joining us?

[chatter]

LS: Julian was kind enough... we... did not bring a tape recorder!

ES: Ha ha ha ha ha...

LS: Quite embarrassing that you're you ask to interview someone and you have to borrow a tape recorder.

JC: Um!

JA: A friend of mine did an interview...

LS: Hi!

JA: ...in Fiji, the staff of... during General Rabuka's coup. Where he had General Rabuka's second in command admit, on tape, that the CIA had paid him off...

JC: Wow.

JA: ... and he got back. And he was like, yes! This is the story of the decade! And the tape had failed. I have a few of these. You should always...

[laughter]

JC: Always always have your own...

ES: For Scott and Jared, we spent a fair amount of time just sort of chatting about Google, and I went up to introduce Lisa... I failed to properly articulate what a brilliant book we are working on.

LS: Ha ha ha!